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Thinny 04-18-2022 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by joloriquelme (Post 1279173)
There's also responsability from David Bryan and Tico Torres on this catastrophe..

They also know that if Jon stops so does their income...

prayer_84 04-18-2022 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by musiccritic101 (Post 1279180)
I wonder what Jon thinks about all the latest press articles regarding the condition of his voice. He's likely ignoring the reports and acting like nothings wrong or his ego is badly bruised.

Jon is well aware of his current situation, it has to be affecting him to a certain degree, it's a long shot but maybe all the bad reviews and articles about his voice finally lit a fire under his ass to consider getting a new vocal coach or pursing a stricter vocal re-training regime before the 40th anniversary tour.

Jon Bon Jovi - Singers Then and Now
Maybe this guy?

B.J. Always 04-25-2022 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by prayer_84 (Post 1279183)

I saw that and the guy did really seem to know what he was talking about. However, he didn't seem too convinced that Jon was willing to put in the effort to repair his voice.

blazeofglory 05-02-2022 02:40 AM

In the background of the TikTok video the band just shared it says “Bon Jovi World Tour 2022”. Dunno if that means they’re gonna announce more tour dates soon or if it’s just Americans thinking the US = the world or if they just wrote that because it sounds cooler or something.


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Litneg 05-02-2022 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by blazeofglory (Post 1279779)
In the background of the TikTok video the band just shared it says “Bon Jovi World Tour 2022”. Dunno if that means they’re gonna announce more tour dates soon or if it’s just Americans thinking the US = the world or if they just wrote that because it sounds cooler or something.


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Hopefully world doesn't means US. That ideal is disgusting 🤦🏻*♂️.

Also the design of the name "Bon Jovi" is brand new too, ain't it?

blazeofglory 05-02-2022 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Litneg (Post 1279780)
Hopefully world doesn't means US. That ideal is disgusting [emoji1750]*[emoji3603].

Also the design of the name "Bon Jovi" is brand new too, ain't it?


I initially thought it was the design from the Limitless single cover but I just checked and it’s actually a bit different, so I suppose it is new!


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LeaJovi 05-03-2022 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by joloriquelme (Post 1279173)
Aaaand...

There's also responsability from David Bryan and Tico Torres on this catastrophe.

Both know the man from 35+ years ago.

I am pretty sure they aren't deaf and they can listen clearly a man that can't sing anymore.

The just could talk to the man and say to him: "Hey Jon, please, stop."

They were always just employees dude, what do you want them to do? Let's just stop that charade, it's been too long.

BD135 05-07-2022 02:08 PM

I don't think he should tour big arenas if his voice is that bad. He may take a break for a while and come back and do theaters with acoustic versions of songs that he can handle. On the other hand, people should be aware of how a future concert is likely to be. If they are still willing to pay for it...

Walleris 05-07-2022 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BD135 (Post 1279974)
I don't think he should tour big arenas if his voice is that bad. He may take a break for a while and come back and do theaters with acoustic versions of songs that he can handle. On the other hand, people should be aware of how a future concert is likely to be. If they are still willing to pay for it...

People need to realize that acoustic versions in small venues expose a weak voice like Jon's way more than a full arena with lots of echo and screaming fans.

The reason why Jon's 2020-21 solo acoustic shows didn't sound as bad is because those didn't have Jon's 2022 voice. And while he would be able to give a slightly vocally easier set on those shows (vs. normal arena shows), he would still have to do Prayer 94 or some version of Wanted. He would sound even more atrocious.

Rdkopper 05-07-2022 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Walleris (Post 1279980)
People need to realize that acoustic versions in small venues expose a weak voice like Jon's way more than a full arena with lots of echo and screaming fans.



The reason why Jon's 2020-21 solo acoustic shows didn't sound as bad is because those didn't have Jon's 2022 voice. And while he would be able to give a slightly vocally easier set on those shows (vs. normal arena shows), he would still have to do Prayer 94 or some version of Wanted. He would sound even more atrocious.

100% Agree... The acoustic shows will he worse

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angelsambo 05-10-2022 06:16 PM

THE DARKNESS Singer On JON BON JOVI's Vocal Issues: 'The People Around Him Need To Tell Him To Stop'

https://blabbermouth.net/news/the-da...ll-him-to-stop

Jon Bon Jovi vocal issues: What is going on and how can it be fixed?

https://eu.app.com/story/entertainme...ng/9661274002/

rolo_tomachi 05-10-2022 07:04 PM

Love this.

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Originally Posted by angelsambo (Post 1280011)

Jon Bon Jovi vocal issues: What is going on and how can it be fixed?

https://eu.app.com/story/entertainme...ng/9661274002/


The Richie Sambora factor

Richie Sambora delivered the band’s classic guitar riffs for nearly 30 years, and he co-wrote the classic songs, too.

He was also pivotal to Bon Jovi’s vocals, Mantas said.

“He used to have Richie singing behind him,” Mantas said. “Richie used to do shadow vocals, it was right behind him and you’re not hearing that anymore. He’s out there by himself too much, especially the choruses where you got to sing hard.”

Sambora exited the band in 2013.

“It’s like the Lone Ranger without Tonto,” Mantas said.

Alphavictim 05-13-2022 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Eveline (Post 1278628)
We can only wonder whose decision it was and why it probably watered down the band's legacy.

I don't think there's much need to "wonder" who wanted to make WAN when the rest of the band didn't. However, I also think they had a strict "one product per year" contract (well, Jon did) starting with Crush. That probably became more lenient later on, but it's pretty obvious that they went studio album (Crush), filler album (OWN), studio album (Bounce), filler album (TLFR), filler release (box set - well, it required no new song writing), studio album (HAND).

And as much as I dislike the album, Lost Highway the first album of the "new" cycle where they didn't put out filler stuff in between studio albums to have sth new every year. And it sold really well.

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Originally Posted by richiefan95 (Post 1278634)
Jon needs to see an psychologist. He is a smart man and should know that touring in this state is a not good idea. There must be a reason he can't stop. He probably will still perform even when he can't speak anymore.

He is a singer. His professional identity and a large part of who made him who he is now is being a singer. He sure isn't an actor, and he's not exactly a professional guitar player. What's he gonna do; lay down and say "well, that's it for me, guess I'll now wait around until I die"? Realizing you can't do what used to define you must be brutal.

Alphavictim 05-13-2022 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1278647)
It sucks to say but the general public does not care about Jon's artistic side.

Not that he ever went for it. The single choices don't exactly tell the "serious" crowd that the new BJ might be for them. Europe (the band) released like 20 years worth of Whitesnake worship blues infused hard rock records. They have quite the reputation among classic rock fans now; they're not "the cheesy Final Countdown guys" anymore among these circles. Mike Tramp (ex-White Lion) has been releasing lowkey singer songwriter stuff for God knows how long. If Limitless performs better than Lower The Flag, Jon will put out Limitless.

Hell, the Destination Anywhere material and TLFR where attempts to go for stuff more suited to his aged voice (or, dare I say it, natural vocal range - he just got away with the abuse before). It didn't work, so he went back for the soaring vocals.

Observe how Johnny Rzenik and Bryan Adams, who always sang in their natural range, can still sing like champions.

Also, regarding "properly going for it", low key stuff (quite literally, but also in terms of sonics) like the grey summer period stuff could probably BENEFIT from JBJ's worn vocals, telling a different tale. It's why I welcomed some of the songwriting choices on 2020. It's just that Jon allowing dark stuff to creep into the songs works better when he's not overtly political (he's just not a great "intellectual" writer, but he's great with putting big tales into small stories).

Of course, he could simply have somebody else do the belting that gives these tales a little contrast, too. You know, like somebody who used to yell "woman you know my hands are dirty" or "WAAANTED" for decades. And who should by all means co-write the band's proper farewell record.

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Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1278705)
Aloha !



What's this now, a sequel to Confessions of a Teenage Drama Queen? I'd say your ban on Jovitalk didn't last long enough. I rest my case.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Not sure if you were on hiatus back then, but on Lindsay Lohan's first record, there's stuff written by Shanks that sounds rather close to some HAND material. Style-wise, not like "same melody". I think "Nobody Till You" is a prime offender. Figured a fellow Lohanian might dig that kinda intel.

Captain_jovi 05-13-2022 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Alphavictim (Post 1280031)
Not that he ever went for it. The single choices don't exactly tell the "serious" crowd that the new BJ might be for them

I don't think I agree. I think the sales of These Days and Destination Anywhere in America destroyed Jon's need to put out stuff that shows he can emote and write without relying on loud guitars and ten cent rhymes. It has to be why the 1999 demos and Crush was so much dumber lyrically

Alphavictim 05-13-2022 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1280032)
I don't think I agree. I think the sales of These Days and Destination Anywhere in America destroyed Jon's need to put out stuff that shows he can emote and write without relying on loud guitars and ten cent rhymes. It has to be why the 1999 demos and Crush was so much dumber lyrically

"He went for it a bit in the 90s" doesn't exactly mean much in 2022. Also, It's My Life (by far the biggest hit the band had after the 90s) was a Max Martin vehicle which didn't exactly suit Jon's "I like to think of Dylan and Petty as my idols" agenda.

It paid of very well at the time, but in the long term, it hurt the band's standing among the rock crowd.

rolo_tomachi 05-13-2022 09:09 PM

About success, it's not about making better or worse songs, but about releasing it at the right time.

These Days is a magical album, but it wasn't released at the right time. Cobain had been dead for a year and the trends changed in 1995.

Crush hit the target because this time they come at the right time. About Crush album, I think it's his best Pop album, and by this I mean that it feels round. My favorite pop-rock post-2000 album would be The Circle, but it's not that well cooked, and it didn't hit the trends either.

joloriquelme 05-18-2022 04:17 PM

Aaaannd...

It happened again.

https://twitter.com/JoviUpdates/stat...92749726920704

jovifan85 05-18-2022 06:51 PM

JBJ just can't relax! Maybe we may have a new Album to come!

Captain_jovi 05-18-2022 07:02 PM

I'd wager this was a private gig booked months, if not a year, in advance. Anyone know who it was for?

Gabriel Shoes 05-19-2022 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1280044)
About success, it's not about making better or worse songs, but about releasing it at the right time.

These Days is a magical album, but it wasn't released at the right time. Cobain had been dead for a year and the trends changed in 1995.

Crush hit the target because this time they come at the right time. About Crush album, I think it's his best Pop album, and by this I mean that it feels round. My favorite pop-rock post-2000 album would be The Circle, but it's not that well cooked, and it didn't hit the trends either.

While I agree songs like Prostitute and Hey God clearly have influences from the grunge era, These Days is an R&B album in my opinion.

I recall reading a review a couple of years agor where the critic stated that "Bon Jovi is Whitney Houston with guitars".

rolo_tomachi 05-20-2022 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Gabriel Shoes (Post 1280130)
While I agree songs like Prostitute and Hey God clearly have influences from the grunge era, These Days is an R&B album in my opinion.

I recall reading a review a couple of years agor where the critic stated that "Bon Jovi is Whitney Houston with guitars".

Well, it's still a Bon Jovi album, but that atmosphere that much of the album has chills grunge of those days. BJ added a little hope at the end of the message. I mean to the sound and the defeatist attitude.

These Days, My Guitar Lies Bleeding in My Arms, Hey God, All I Want is Everything, It's Hard... it's permeated by that spirit. The beginning of Something for the Pain, you can hear the sound of What The Hell Have I by Alice in Chains, and Something to Believe In is like In My Tree by Pearl Jam, even though this one was later.

And the cover in that ocher color screams grunge. Let's say is the most alternative album BJ has released, maybe you feel more comfortable calling it that.

Javier 05-20-2022 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1280134)
Well, it's still a Bon Jovi album, but that atmosphere that much of the album has chills grunge of those days. BJ added a little hope at the end of the message. I mean to the sound and the defeatist attitude.

These Days, My Guitar Lies Bleeding in My Arms, Hey God, All I Want is Everything, It's Hard... it's permeated by that spirit. The beginning of Something for the Pain, you can hear the sound of What The Hell Have I by Alice in Chains, and Something to Believe In is like In My Tree by Pearl Jam, even though this one was later.

And the cover in that ocher color screams grunge. Let's say is the most alternative album BJ has released, maybe you feel more comfortable calling it that.

I can definitely understand what you're saying and why, but to me it falls more with the way the production was conducted on the album, more so than the songs themselves. Also, whenever I listen to 'teardrop to the sea' I get this huge These days feeling!! That's also Bon Jovi sounding really alternative and I love it!!!

YOVANAfromPeru 05-21-2022 03:33 AM

Jon as usual sounded better on that private show in Nashville

Jack27 05-27-2022 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by YOVANAfromPeru (Post 1280140)
Jon as usual sounded better on that private show in Nashville

I thought the same! Do you think there's something in it that the big production is hampering him somewhat? When they keep it simple - ie just a band playing songs, that he finds it easier?

blazeofglory 05-27-2022 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack27 (Post 1280162)
I thought the same! Do you think there's something in it that the big production is hampering him somewhat? When they keep it simple - ie just a band playing songs, that he finds it easier?

I haven't seen any clips from that show, so I'm going by what you guys are saying, but I would assume that he's probably less nervous about smaller private shows than he is about big tour shows where the entire public and press have their eyes and ears on him.

Captain_jovi 05-27-2022 03:17 PM

On the flip, private shows aren't there to see them the same way fans are. They're there to be entertained and won't know his tricks and moves he does with the fans.

I don't know if I agree about the big production stuff or else the acoustic sets would have stuck around on the tour.

YOVANAfromPeru 05-28-2022 01:41 AM

Well, there's no next concert that soon either
so maybe he finds a concert once in a while more fun and easier

B.J. Always 05-28-2022 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1280164)
On the flip, private shows aren't there to see them the same way fans are. They're there to be entertained and won't know his tricks and moves he does with the fans.

I don't know if I agree about the big production stuff or else the acoustic sets would have stuck around on the tour.

You would think if he can do acoustic sets for private shows he would have kept them on the tour? That being said I don't think "fans" in general really like acoustic sets. I know I personally don't like acoustic that well for BJ.

Captain_jovi 05-28-2022 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by B.J. Always (Post 1280172)
You would think if he can do acoustic sets for private shows he would have kept them on the tour? That being said I don't think "fans" in general really like acoustic sets. I know I personally don't like acoustic that well for BJ.

I think cost has a lot to do with it too. On fan club shows the amount they can make skyrockets ic they're not dealing with an eight piece band, lighting, staging and transportation. Plus they're dealing with a VERY forgiving audience. Most of them truly do not care or notice the state of Jon's voice. Doing it on a tour with casuals and people who are there for the hits really exposes the state of his voice and the bad timing and missed notes. Personally I think thats why it was dropped more so than flow of the show/lack of interest but who knows.

B.J. Always 05-28-2022 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1280177)
I think cost has a lot to do with it too. On fan club shows the amount they can make skyrockets ic they're not dealing with an eight piece band, lighting, staging and transportation. Plus they're dealing with a VERY forgiving audience. Most of them truly do not care or notice the state of Jon's voice. Doing it on a tour with casuals and people who are there for the hits really exposes the state of his voice and the bad timing and missed notes. Personally I think thats why it was dropped more so than flow of the show/lack of interest but who knows.

I've read on reviews that a lot of fans go on breaks during the acoustic sets--to the restrooms, going for food, etc.

Of course, there were a number of fans that left due to Jon's vocals.

sweetmisery 06-26-2022 07:09 PM

Wait. So there is a big 40 year anniversary tour next year? Are there talks/rumors about this or just speculation?

bonjovi90 06-26-2022 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sweetmisery (Post 1282059)
Wait. So there is a big 40 year anniversary tour next year? Are there talks/rumors about this or just speculation?

Nothing but speculation and fan dreaming.

danfan 07-20-2022 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1282060)
Nothing but speculation and fan dreaming.

If Jon sounds like he did on this past tour, sounds like more of a nightmare. I knew it would be rough, but the show I went to in Tampa was just gut wrenching. I wouldn't go see them again like that. Not because of the money but because it was so depressing listening to him.

eddie73 07-28-2022 04:58 PM

Yeah of course they should if they want to, why not ! If the demand is there which it obviously is why would they stop ... Fully expecting a mammoth world for the 40th anniversary, hitting every corner of the globe for the next 3 years or so from 2023. Not saying as a farewell but I believe it will be their last huge tour , then just do 30 odd shows a year

Mongoose 08-02-2022 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by danfan (Post 1282219)
If Jon sounds like he did on this past tour, sounds like more of a nightmare. I knew it would be rough, but the show I went to in Tampa was just gut wrenching. I wouldn't go see them again like that. Not because of the money but because it was so depressing listening to him.

Poor Jon. Should have quit the smoking..

Logan72 08-03-2022 08:14 PM

As it was/huge arena and stadium tours can't happen now surely? His voice this year?? To be honest, some of the clips I've seen of 2019 even? Word will quickly get around in the mainstream next time I think and if a large number of dates are planned, it could be all a bit of disaster, and quite depressing. I wish it wasn't so, but from what I've seen the last couple of years, I just don't think it's possible. For whatever reason (and to my huge dissapointment), I just don't think Jon is going to be able to do what Mick Jagger, Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney etc have done and keep it going that long :(

He's an intelligent man, so if there's another way/he has a plan and proves me wrong, great stuff! :)

bonjovi90 08-03-2022 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan72 (Post 1282298)
As it was/huge arena and stadium tours can't happen now surely? His voice this year?? To be honest, some of the clips I've seen of 2019 even? Word will quickly get around in the mainstream next time I think and if a large number of dates are planned, it could be all a bit of disaster, and quite depressing. I wish it wasn't so, but from what I've seen the last couple of years, I just don't think it's possible. For whatever reason (and to my huge dissapointment), I just don't think Jon is going to be able to do what Mick Jagger, Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney etc have done and keep it going that long :(

He's an intelligent man, so if there's another way/he has a plan and proves me wrong, great stuff! :)

Word got around a lot in mainstream during this year's tour.

Logan72 08-03-2022 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1282299)
Word got around a lot in mainstream during this year's tour.

Yes, worrying. You'll have seen I'm new to the forum but I've been a devoted fan since the 80s. I showed my wife the latest - she couldn't believe what's happened...and she loved Axl Rose!

B.J. Always 08-12-2022 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan72 (Post 1282300)
Yes, worrying. You'll have seen I'm new to the forum but I've been a devoted fan since the 80s. I showed my wife the latest - she couldn't believe what's happened...and she loved Axl Rose!

Have you gotten the feeling that you have showed up after the party was over? Considering the sound of Jon's voice.

Nevertheless welcome to the Forum!


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