They also know that if Jon stops so does their income...

Jon Bon Jovi - Singers Then and Now
Maybe this guy?

I saw that and the guy did really seem to know what he was talking about. However, he didn't seem too convinced that Jon was willing to put in the effort to repair his voice.

In the background of the TikTok video the band just shared it says “Bon Jovi World Tour 2022”. Dunno if that means they’re gonna announce more tour dates soon or if it’s just Americans thinking the US = the world or if they just wrote that because it sounds cooler or something.


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Hopefully world doesn't means US. That ideal is disgusting 🤦🏻*♂️.

Also the design of the name "Bon Jovi" is brand new too, ain't it?

I initially thought it was the design from the Limitless single cover but I just checked and it’s actually a bit different, so I suppose it is new!


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They were always just employees dude, what do you want them to do? Let's just stop that charade, it's been too long.

I don't think he should tour big arenas if his voice is that bad. He may take a break for a while and come back and do theaters with acoustic versions of songs that he can handle. On the other hand, people should be aware of how a future concert is likely to be. If they are still willing to pay for it...

People need to realize that acoustic versions in small venues expose a weak voice like Jon's way more than a full arena with lots of echo and screaming fans.

The reason why Jon's 2020-21 solo acoustic shows didn't sound as bad is because those didn't have Jon's 2022 voice. And while he would be able to give a slightly vocally easier set on those shows (vs. normal arena shows), he would still have to do Prayer 94 or some version of Wanted. He would sound even more atrocious.

100% Agree... The acoustic shows will he worse

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THE DARKNESS Singer On JON BON JOVI's Vocal Issues: 'The People Around Him Need To Tell Him To Stop'

https://blabbermouth.net/news/the-da...ll-him-to-stop

Jon Bon Jovi vocal issues: What is going on and how can it be fixed?

https://eu.app.com/story/entertainme...ng/9661274002/

Love this.


The Richie Sambora factor

Richie Sambora delivered the band’s classic guitar riffs for nearly 30 years, and he co-wrote the classic songs, too.

He was also pivotal to Bon Jovi’s vocals, Mantas said.

“He used to have Richie singing behind him,” Mantas said. “Richie used to do shadow vocals, it was right behind him and you’re not hearing that anymore. He’s out there by himself too much, especially the choruses where you got to sing hard.”

Sambora exited the band in 2013.

“It’s like the Lone Ranger without Tonto,” Mantas said.

I don't think there's much need to "wonder" who wanted to make WAN when the rest of the band didn't. However, I also think they had a strict "one product per year" contract (well, Jon did) starting with Crush. That probably became more lenient later on, but it's pretty obvious that they went studio album (Crush), filler album (OWN), studio album (Bounce), filler album (TLFR), filler release (box set - well, it required no new song writing), studio album (HAND).

And as much as I dislike the album, Lost Highway the first album of the "new" cycle where they didn't put out filler stuff in between studio albums to have sth new every year. And it sold really well.

He is a singer. His professional identity and a large part of who made him who he is now is being a singer. He sure isn't an actor, and he's not exactly a professional guitar player. What's he gonna do; lay down and say "well, that's it for me, guess I'll now wait around until I die"? Realizing you can't do what used to define you must be brutal.

Not that he ever went for it. The single choices don't exactly tell the "serious" crowd that the new BJ might be for them. Europe (the band) released like 20 years worth of Whitesnake worship blues infused hard rock records. They have quite the reputation among classic rock fans now; they're not "the cheesy Final Countdown guys" anymore among these circles. Mike Tramp (ex-White Lion) has been releasing lowkey singer songwriter stuff for God knows how long. If Limitless performs better than Lower The Flag, Jon will put out Limitless.

Hell, the Destination Anywhere material and TLFR where attempts to go for stuff more suited to his aged voice (or, dare I say it, natural vocal range - he just got away with the abuse before). It didn't work, so he went back for the soaring vocals.

Observe how Johnny Rzenik and Bryan Adams, who always sang in their natural range, can still sing like champions.

Also, regarding "properly going for it", low key stuff (quite literally, but also in terms of sonics) like the grey summer period stuff could probably BENEFIT from JBJ's worn vocals, telling a different tale. It's why I welcomed some of the songwriting choices on 2020. It's just that Jon allowing dark stuff to creep into the songs works better when he's not overtly political (he's just not a great "intellectual" writer, but he's great with putting big tales into small stories).

Of course, he could simply have somebody else do the belting that gives these tales a little contrast, too. You know, like somebody who used to yell "woman you know my hands are dirty" or "WAAANTED" for decades. And who should by all means co-write the band's proper farewell record.

Not sure if you were on hiatus back then, but on Lindsay Lohan's first record, there's stuff written by Shanks that sounds rather close to some HAND material. Style-wise, not like "same melody". I think "Nobody Till You" is a prime offender. Figured a fellow Lohanian might dig that kinda intel.

I don't think I agree. I think the sales of These Days and Destination Anywhere in America destroyed Jon's need to put out stuff that shows he can emote and write without relying on loud guitars and ten cent rhymes. It has to be why the 1999 demos and Crush was so much dumber lyrically

"He went for it a bit in the 90s" doesn't exactly mean much in 2022. Also, It's My Life (by far the biggest hit the band had after the 90s) was a Max Martin vehicle which didn't exactly suit Jon's "I like to think of Dylan and Petty as my idols" agenda.

It paid of very well at the time, but in the long term, it hurt the band's standing among the rock crowd.

About success, it's not about making better or worse songs, but about releasing it at the right time.

These Days is a magical album, but it wasn't released at the right time. Cobain had been dead for a year and the trends changed in 1995.

Crush hit the target because this time they come at the right time. About Crush album, I think it's his best Pop album, and by this I mean that it feels round. My favorite pop-rock post-2000 album would be The Circle, but it's not that well cooked, and it didn't hit the trends either.

Aaaannd...

It happened again.

https://twitter.com/JoviUpdates/stat...92749726920704

JBJ just can't relax! Maybe we may have a new Album to come!

I'd wager this was a private gig booked months, if not a year, in advance. Anyone know who it was for?

While I agree songs like Prostitute and Hey God clearly have influences from the grunge era, These Days is an R&B album in my opinion.

I recall reading a review a couple of years agor where the critic stated that "Bon Jovi is Whitney Houston with guitars".

Well, it's still a Bon Jovi album, but that atmosphere that much of the album has chills grunge of those days. BJ added a little hope at the end of the message. I mean to the sound and the defeatist attitude.

These Days, My Guitar Lies Bleeding in My Arms, Hey God, All I Want is Everything, It's Hard... it's permeated by that spirit. The beginning of Something for the Pain, you can hear the sound of What The Hell Have I by Alice in Chains, and Something to Believe In is like In My Tree by Pearl Jam, even though this one was later.

And the cover in that ocher color screams grunge. Let's say is the most alternative album BJ has released, maybe you feel more comfortable calling it that.

I can definitely understand what you're saying and why, but to me it falls more with the way the production was conducted on the album, more so than the songs themselves. Also, whenever I listen to 'teardrop to the sea' I get this huge These days feeling!! That's also Bon Jovi sounding really alternative and I love it!!!

Jon as usual sounded better on that private show in Nashville

I thought the same! Do you think there's something in it that the big production is hampering him somewhat? When they keep it simple - ie just a band playing songs, that he finds it easier?

I haven't seen any clips from that show, so I'm going by what you guys are saying, but I would assume that he's probably less nervous about smaller private shows than he is about big tour shows where the entire public and press have their eyes and ears on him.

On the flip, private shows aren't there to see them the same way fans are. They're there to be entertained and won't know his tricks and moves he does with the fans.

I don't know if I agree about the big production stuff or else the acoustic sets would have stuck around on the tour.

Well, there's no next concert that soon either
so maybe he finds a concert once in a while more fun and easier

You would think if he can do acoustic sets for private shows he would have kept them on the tour? That being said I don't think "fans" in general really like acoustic sets. I know I personally don't like acoustic that well for BJ.

I think cost has a lot to do with it too. On fan club shows the amount they can make skyrockets ic they're not dealing with an eight piece band, lighting, staging and transportation. Plus they're dealing with a VERY forgiving audience. Most of them truly do not care or notice the state of Jon's voice. Doing it on a tour with casuals and people who are there for the hits really exposes the state of his voice and the bad timing and missed notes. Personally I think thats why it was dropped more so than flow of the show/lack of interest but who knows.

I've read on reviews that a lot of fans go on breaks during the acoustic sets--to the restrooms, going for food, etc.

Of course, there were a number of fans that left due to Jon's vocals.

Wait. So there is a big 40 year anniversary tour next year? Are there talks/rumors about this or just speculation?

Nothing but speculation and fan dreaming.

If Jon sounds like he did on this past tour, sounds like more of a nightmare. I knew it would be rough, but the show I went to in Tampa was just gut wrenching. I wouldn't go see them again like that. Not because of the money but because it was so depressing listening to him.

Yeah of course they should if they want to, why not ! If the demand is there which it obviously is why would they stop ... Fully expecting a mammoth world for the 40th anniversary, hitting every corner of the globe for the next 3 years or so from 2023. Not saying as a farewell but I believe it will be their last huge tour , then just do 30 odd shows a year

Poor Jon. Should have quit the smoking..

As it was/huge arena and stadium tours can't happen now surely? His voice this year?? To be honest, some of the clips I've seen of 2019 even? Word will quickly get around in the mainstream next time I think and if a large number of dates are planned, it could be all a bit of disaster, and quite depressing. I wish it wasn't so, but from what I've seen the last couple of years, I just don't think it's possible. For whatever reason (and to my huge dissapointment), I just don't think Jon is going to be able to do what Mick Jagger, Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney etc have done and keep it going that long :(

He's an intelligent man, so if there's another way/he has a plan and proves me wrong, great stuff! :)

Word got around a lot in mainstream during this year's tour.

Yes, worrying. You'll have seen I'm new to the forum but I've been a devoted fan since the 80s. I showed my wife the latest - she couldn't believe what's happened...and she loved Axl Rose!

Have you gotten the feeling that you have showed up after the party was over? Considering the sound of Jon's voice.

Nevertheless welcome to the Forum!