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Eveline 04-06-2022 08:09 PM

In the recent interview, Richie said there was album after album and it wasn't a good thing. We can only wonder whose decision it was and why it probably watered down the band's legacy. Too many same-sounding records, with WAN being a bag of sh*t, BB a let's-throw-everything-in one, and 2020 being a 'topical' album no one really wants to hear live except for maybe two songs. Umm, okay. Now some pity Jon because he looks in pain *maybe bc he is, it can't be just neck stretching* but he doesn't do it for money per se, he's loaded beyond our imagination. It's the guy's HUGE ego, so maybe the fans who pay through the nose actually deserve the braying every night *shrugs* Those who say he's improved any bit are clearly no better than his blind cult following. He hasn't improved at all, it hurts your ear and makes your soul bleed. Heard some snippets and wish I hadn't. Just stop already.

Captain_jovi 04-06-2022 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Eveline (Post 1278628)
In the recent interview, Richie said there was album after album and it wasn't a good thing. We can only wonder whose decision it was and why it probably watered down the band's legacy. Too many same-sounding records, with WAN being a bag of sh*t, BB a let's-throw-everything-in one, and 2020 being a 'topical' album no one really wants to hear live except for maybe two songs. Umm, okay. Now some pity Jon because he looks in pain *maybe bc he is, it can't be just neck stretching* but he doesn't do it for money per se, he's loaded beyond our imagination. It's the guy's HUGE ego, so maybe the fans who pay through the nose actually deserve the braying every night *shrugs* Those who say he's improved any bit are clearly no better than his blind cult following. He hasn't improved at all, it hurts your ear and makes your soul bleed. Heard some snippets and wish I hadn't. Just stop already.

BB was a contractual obligation, I don't know if it's worth using it as a slight against the band.

I think I half agree? I think the band itself genuinely enjoys touring but I realize how saccharine that sounds. I don't think it's for a paycheck at this point, you don't do a run of 15 shows and then stop for the rest of the year. If it were ego it'd be a full year or April, bit of a break, and a summer outdoor run. How does ego fit into this? Dude knows he sounds like shit and knows others will too.

Eveline 04-06-2022 08:54 PM

Don't forget we're talking about a guy with a permanent "victim syndrome". All the success is his, all the failure is somebody else's/fate. He's not the fat Elvis, he's a good guy, just overworked/betrayed by his best friend/not old, just older/etc. I wouldn't be able to look myself in the mirror if I was able to deliver 10% of what I used to. It's time to quit the touring and there's nothing wrong with that. On the contrary, it's the only right thing to do. His voice deteriorated to a point it's no longer enjoyable on any song really. Praising him for trying is only fueling his self-destructive behaviour. The guy looks as if he's literally dying on stage every night... oops, guess they are the man's own words, Richie just chose not to :rolleyes:

Adam D 04-06-2022 09:43 PM

For what it's worth, I continue to look forward to new albums. There are good songs on every single one.

2020 is not my favorite by a long shot, but I still enjoy This House.

In terms of touring, I'd like to see them announce a farewell tour, so I know going in that it will be the last time.

It seems like I made the right choice in passing this month, but come April 15th, I will have second thoughts, no matter how Jon sounds.

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Butters 04-06-2022 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Faceman (Post 1278609)
A singer who can't sing shouldn't go on tour ever again.
Charging money for that kind of performance is close to scam to me.

Exactly. It's a grift now.

richiefan95 04-06-2022 11:00 PM

Jon needs to see an psychologist. He is a smart man and should know that touring in this state is a not good idea. There must be a reason he can't stop. He probably will still perform even when he can't speak anymore.

I would like if he releases solo records but performing in this state makes no sense.

blazeofglory 04-06-2022 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by richiefan95 (Post 1278634)
Jon needs to see an psychologist. He is a smart man and should know that touring in this state is a not good idea. There must be a reason he can't stop. He probably will still perform even when he can't speak anymore.

I would like if he releases solo records but performing in this state makes no sense.

He was in therapy during the post-2013 years and I would assume that he still has a therapist nowadays (even if he doesn't have regular sessions, but based on some stuff he's said in interviews during the past two years or so he certainly seems to be mindful to implement some approaches and techniques in his life that he probably learned in therapy). A psychologist would most likely not tell him to stop touring though, but rather work with him to combat whatever insecurities, anxieties, etc. he might have now due to the state of his voice and help him achieve his personal goals without burning himself out mentally.

Making records and playing shows is Jon's life work and he's clearly not ready to give half of that up yet (the man is also a workaholic who can't sit still and he's only JUST turned 60, so he isn't exactly at retirement age either yet), so if stopping now would just make him feel unhappy and unsatisfied a therapist would most likely tell him to keep going and give him the psychological guidance he might need to keep his mental health in good shape throughout it.

Rdkopper 04-06-2022 11:46 PM

I think Jon should announce a farewell tour so die hards can see him one last time.

I honestly don't think he'll he able to sing in two years.

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Captain_jovi 04-06-2022 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1278638)
I think Jon should announce a farewell tour so die hards can see him one last time.


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Honestly, I think we're already looking at it.

rolo_tomachi 04-07-2022 01:09 AM

To be honest, Jon's voice got damaged during the Becuase We Can Tour. More than 100 shows in less than 1 year, he looked for it himself. I guess in that year, he was more concerned with having enough money to buy a Football team. When Richie defected, Jon didn't have that vocal backing, so he going the extra mile with so many shows on the legs... it takes its toll, and he's not 25 anymore like he was on the SWW Tour. He lost everything, his voice.

I've said it before, since then, his performance isn't what he was anymore, and I don't mean a vocal technique. He just can't do something that feels magical and genuine even if his voice fails.

On "the legacy" of the band... Jon pissed and shit on this when he made that WWWB documentary. He's the CEO, he's JBJ enterprise, which includes Bon Jovi... thats ​​his ridiculous words.

Jon could have taken a break from the band after The Circle/GH 2010. He could have released a solo album or two, then come back strong with a Bon Jovi album. Nothing guarantees that it would have been a better album than what it has given us in these years, but at least that "legacy" would remain intact... since Richie probably would never have defected.... Jon would not have ruined his voice doing that effort of 107 shows in less than 1 year, and now he could be enjoying a tour with dignity at his 60 years as other bands and artists of his generation are doing.

If Jon wants to continue as an artist (with the band or as a solo artist), he only has to record studio albums. It's the only medium where Jon can do the trick and we believe it. Forget the tours, maybe some promotional shows and that's it.. Do something similar to the last years of the Beatles, and I know that the music industry is not what it was, but I'm not talking about releasing albums to make gold... I'm talking about releasing albums to feed his ego as a musician and artist . Jon can still do that, I don't know for how long, but it's one of the options if not the only one - to continue with dignity.


The 2022 Tour has an explanation, Jon wants to but he can't do the tour that he had planned for the 2020 album, so he will only settle for these 15 shows to feed the artist inside him a little. I don't think we'll get a lot of rarities on this tour, I think we'll get the 2020 songs rotating every 2 or 3 shows. And that's fine. The artist also has to indulge, I just wish they never played Lost Highway live again (lol).

and one more thing, it is true that in recent years, his new music has not transpired, his singles have no relevance beyond the fans, but neither has it become an act of nostalgia. I mean, Jon does everything he can to offer a show that is not only sustained by the hits of his glory days, look at the setlist of the last years, look at the setlist of the 2022 shows. You will only find 5 or 6 songs from the eighties. Jon hasn't become an act like Guns N Roses (Axl and company play all his hits and rarities from his glorious albums), but I think Jon is wrong with this stance of ignoring his past. . Jon should embrace being a nostalgia act at the shows, because otherwise all he's doing is disappointing his audience even more. I'm not just referring to the hits, I'm referring to giving that show where the songs of yesteryear sound again. There is nothing wrong with that... though on second thought, I think it's too late to use that card.

About a new album, I'm always open to hearing new music, you know, but....I think the 40th Anniversary Box Set is the most interesting thing they're going to offer us in a long time, I hope they don't ruin it.


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