[Supersonic]

Aloha !

Originally Posted by Dts broker 2014

There was a lot of excess in his voice, and that was the main problem. Considering he made giant vocal efforts from 1985 - 1991, I don't think Jon ever had any vocal training. According to my understanding, voices need some rest, and since Jon was touring from 1993 until 1998, he had to pull his voice out of his roseanance caves, which caused his voice to sound super nasal.

The scar might be a result of a vocal chord reconstruction surgery, but I don't know for sure. I really hope Jon gives Bon Jovi a final chance with reunion concerts and lets Bon Jovi live and die, just as David Coverdale did with Whitesnake, and releases deluxe editions like Coverdale.

All these supposed youTube experts keep hammering on lack of practice and training while Jon's gone out on tour with vocal coaches. Since 1991 there's several coaches who have publicly thanked him for his service just like Jon has mentioned vocal coaches in the past for bringing his voice back from the dead. I'd say the fact that he's gone out on tour even with his coach in 2018 and yet those experts on youTube claiming the opposite either means that Jon's ignoring the advice from his coaches or the experts are full of shit. Or, I reckon, a little bit of both.

A coach can teach him how to use his voice, tell him not to overdo it but considering every schedule since 1993 has been packed I'd say money's always been more important than the health of his vocals. It's a miracle it's held up for as long as it did.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

[Walleris]

Originally Posted by Supersonic

Aloha !



All these supposed youTube experts keep hammering on lack of practice and training while Jon's gone out on tour with vocal coaches. Since 1991 there's several coaches who have publicly thanked him for his service just like Jon has mentioned vocal coaches in the past for bringing his voice back from the dead. I'd say the fact that he's gone out on tour even with his coach in 2018 and yet those experts on youTube claiming the opposite either means that Jon's ignoring the advice from his coaches or the experts are full of shit. Or, I reckon, a little bit of both.

A coach can teach him how to use his voice, tell him not to overdo it but considering every schedule since 1993 has been packed I'd say money's always been more important than the health of his vocals. It's a miracle it's held up for as long as it did.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Well said, but I would add two more factors to the equation - show length and vocal demand of the catalogue. It's a dangerous combination and Jon had an unfavorable tendency for both.

When some artists record, they consciously think abut how will they sing those songs live. It never seemed to be Jon, as he never appeared to be able to sing LOAP exactly like recorded, or songs like ITA and TD and many others, which would get downtuned live by half-step as soon as it's realeased. Even prime 1992 really struggled to sing Stick To Your Guns in original key during those "An Evening With" rehearsals, which is not considered one of the most demanding songs. It seems like Jon always tried to max himself out in the studio and only start worrying about live performing later Perhaps his decline would not have been as sharp if we wasn't pushing himself to sing things like Always well in his late 40s and early 50s, in the same key as he did in his mid-30s (albeit downtuned).

Also, if money was a priority for Jon (it was), he would not have lost on any revenue if he played the 1.5-2 hour shows like most others do, unlike the usual 2h15-2h45 range they usually did during the 1996-2013 period. Someone like a Steven Tyler has sung a very demanding style and still sounds good-to-great, but Aerosmith shows are 17-18 songs, whereas Paul McCartney, who's a tenor with great longevity until mid-00s, has showed great vocal decline in the past 15 years. Lots of other artists who get away with long shows, e.g. Bruce or Pearl Jam or Green Day, are baritones and such voices typically hold up much better with age, even if none of them appear to be well-trained singers. But again, in his weird mind Jon probably took pride in doing lengthy shows with multiple setlist changes (including digging up songs in old arrangements that he should stay away from), as this is what his idol Bruce did.

But again, these factors (+ what you listed + lifestyle choices we did not mention) could all be summarized as Jon never prioritized the longevity of his instrument and is paying the price for it.

[Alphavictim]

Yeah, it's baffling that people are now calling Jon greedy for doing long shows.

I think he just hasn't shown the required restraint live PLUS he did long sets. You can take out vocal coaches, but if you abuse your instrument, you will still do damage.

[BJFan2021]

Everyone’s after money, it’s no exception to just Jon. Since he’s responsible for the whole BJ camp, he maybe feels the need to keep going so they can put food on the table. If I was in his position that’s how I would feel.

Anyway on the show length subject, I think Jon genuinely enjoys/enjoyed being on stage and that’s why the shows lasted as long as they did. It is/was his life and brings him great joy. I can only speculate that without it, life somehow felt empty.

Of course this would come back and bite him, but when you’re in the moment you don’t think 10-20 years into the future. Anyways, I’m glad he went full throttle and did long ass shows instead of giving 70%, with boring standard, boring setlists and 1.5 hour shows like people do nowadays. Hopefully the BJ camp releases/sells these amazing shows they performed!

However, this got nothing to do with Richie so I feel we’ve gone a bit off the rails. I don’t mind but others do maybe.

[eddie73]

Expect official announcement back end of December / January time ..... Its going to be massive !

[DryCounty]

How Jon can even consider doing a tour is beyond me. The media was all over Jon’s vocals during the 2022 tour. Imagine what a full tour will be like - with or without Richie. Full lip sync seems like the only option and that would be a dark road.

[Captain_jovi]

Originally Posted by eddie73

Expect official announcement back end of December / January time ..... Its going to be massive !

Have you heard something or is this a guess?

[nikos greece]

Originally Posted by eddie73

Expect official announcement back end of December / January time ..... Its going to be massive !

give sth more for god s sake.... we are dying over here!!!

the fact that you posted it here i ll take it a hint...

[Captain_jovi]

Originally Posted by DryCounty

How Jon can even consider doing a tour is beyond me. The media was all over Jon’s vocals during the 2022 tour. Imagine what a full tour will be like - with or without Richie. Full lip sync seems like the only option and that would be a dark road.

Eh, and if he just fades away people will lambast him for not doing a goodbye thing with Richie. Dude's voice is shredded but he's in a no-win spot either way. The right time to say goodbye was a few years ago.

I think this will increase demand for a bigger tour and he can't handle that so he's going to piss a bunch of countries off. I don't see it ending on a good note but I get why it's being done if it's a 40th and goodbye.

Selfishly, if Richie's back it gives me greater hope in the box set not sucking if he's involved.

[Butters]

The most optimistic interpretation is that he had surgery after the last tour and it was successful hence why they are planning a new tour.

Time will tell, I suppose. Might get a sense from the event next week.